Update: The Dads of Destiny were kind enough to get back in touch with us and comment on the matter, which you can read in full on their website.

While they recognise that there may have been some misunderstandings while formalising their new clan guidelines, they state that: "...the Dads of Destiny have not banned anyone from anything. The question of banning someone from a gaming community due to gender is appalling and at no point would the Dads of Destiny condone such behaviour."

In another post concerning their new guidelines, they specify that a founding principle of the Dads of Destiny required that a Dad must be the head of every clan, and active in the community. They also state that they did not ask any clans to change their leadership or remove any members.

"Any clan that has left the Dads of Destiny community in the past week has done so without any communication to the Dads of Destiny regarding that decision."

Author's note: As the author of this post, I would like to express my deepest respect for all of those involved in Dads of Destiny. I would also like to clarify that nothing of what I have written is intended in any way to attack or demonise the Dads of Destiny, and I apologise if that is the message that came across.

The original article was written with information I had available at the time, and as such my opinion was based solely on that information. I hope the comments from the Dads of Destiny help to clarify the situation.

Original story follows...

Dads of Destiny, the incredibly popular Destiny clan started for gaming fathers to play together, has gained some internet notoriety this week after they allegedly folded an existing clan and all its members – simply because the clan lead was female.

In a post on Reddit, user ‘Ex_DadOfDestiny’ explained how he was a member of DoD’s ‘Bravo Bandits’ since Destiny‘s launch, meeting like-minded fathers, mothers, husbands, wives, and children. The beauty in the Dads of Destiny clan was that, while aimed specifically at dads, anyone with a passion for Destiny could join and have a good time.

As far as clans go, the DoD clans are mostly casual and loose-knit at best,” Ex_DadOfDestiny said in his post. “…so we have clans, not Clans. Low key and chill. Just my style. Find friends, kick Crota’s ass. Lather, rinse, repeat.

A few months ago, Bravo Bandits’ current female lead stepped up into the role, taking over from the previous leader. Judging by the Reddit post, it seems that Dads of Destiny mods were unaware of the changeover, and Bravo Bandits didn’t feel it was something they had to bring up.

Apparently DoD was trying to do something positive on a larger scale for families, but not in time or context for Bravo.

Recently, Dads of Destiny started a rigorous re-application process, in which all existing clans would re-register to better align with the charter and “mission statement”. It’s during this application that they learned of the female lead, and subsequently banned the entirety of Bravo Bandits.

As the Redditor notes, the decision to exclude women from the clan is up to the mods in charge of Dads of Destiny, and they’re perfectly within their right to do so. What doesn’t make sense is denying an entire clan ‘clan status’ because their lead is a woman – and has been so for a few months – then not following through and communicating what actually happened. Allegedly, mods have been deleting posts across Bungie.net whenever someone tries to raise the issue.

One clan member made contact with a lead over the weekend who tried to explain the situation,” said Ex_DadOfDestiny. “Apparently DoD was trying to do something positive on a larger scale for families, but not in time or context for Bravo.

Different clans are allegedly fighting among each other over the issue, with some defending Bravo Bandits, and others flocking to the mods’ defence. As a result, many Dads of Destiny members, including Ex_DadOfDestiny, have decided to leave the clan.

We have reached out to Dads of Destiny for comment on the matter, and will keep you updated on how the story unfolds.

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  • Smellslikedeceit

    a misunderstanding? No one banned? Well I suppose I can see where telling a group “You will not be considered an official DoD clan, only an ally” could be misconstrued as being “Banned”.
    DoD wants to mince words, fine. It only adds fuel to the fire.
    They might be “Dads” of Destiny but anyone with a sperm count can be a dad. It’s takes a man to own up to the decisions they make. Own it DoD. Take responsibility for the decision you made. Then I can disagree with you yet still respect your right to run your chauvinistic organization as you see fit.
    Misunderstandings are easily rectified, typically with a clarification. If Bravo Bandits misunderstood what “You will not be an official DoD clan” means then please clarify exactly what it does mean, or what you meant to say.

  • Zach Dolbeare

    Why would a female be a part of “Dads of Destiny”?

    • Be Real

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    • Jason Mounce

      Same thing with why feminists argue that they should play in a Male-only Golfing tournament, because they demand equality even if the foundation and rules of something that were made simply are a ‘Boys Club’. Males aren’t allowed to have exclusive clubs but if it’s female-only, they know that no one generally cares. ‘Boys Only Clubs’ get all the envy while Female-only clubs are just typical ‘Girls Night Out’ and are casualized. Maybe….

      Am sure many feminists are gonna get triggered either way.

  • Be Real

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  • kevin1d

    Just have to watch how this plays out over time I suppose

  • Be Real

    Anyone can make a clan on Bungie.net and call it whatever they want.

    Bravo Bandits was not a recognized Dads of Destiny clan. When they decided they wanted to be a recognized or “official” Dads of Destiny clan, they applied.

    Quote “In another post concerning their new guidelines, they specify that a founding principle of the Dads of Destiny required that a Dad must be the head of every clan, and active in the community. They also state that they did not ask any clans to change their leadership or remove any members.”

    Quit trying to act naive, we all know the Dads in Dads of Destiny means Dad/Male. If you want to get technical look up dad in the dictionary, it shows father: a male parent. Its truly concerning that this even has to be said.

    Quote “We don’t want to be sexist at all, but we do like the “Mancave” vibe of our group. We’ll definitely look at forming an alliance with a Mothers of Destiny group out there.”

    Dads of Destiny has used the Mancave wording since they were founded.

    When Bravo bandits were informed of the Clan guidelines required to become a recognized Dads of Destiny clan, they obviously did not like them.

    Dads of Destiny presented solutions to keep Bravo Bandits intact and part of Dads of Destiny, which also did not require the female leader to step down.

    Before any solution could be made, Bravo Bandits cut all communications with Dads of Destiny admin, publicly announced on their clan page that they were no longer affiliated with Dads of Destiny, and within a hour were using threats and shady tactics to try and get their way. It was their decision to cut all ties with Dads of Destiny. At that point it was obvious that Bravo Bandits had no true desire to be apart of Dads of Destiny and other motives were in play.

    In the same time frame, Bravo Bandits already had a new clan, website, twitter etc. online. Coincidence?

    The female leader is quoted saying ” Just make us official already, and let us do our own thing”. There are several concerns with that request. They want to claim rights to the Dads of Destiny resources and branding, but they want to be under their own terms.

    This is a direct quote from the Dads of Destiny website in regards to this discussion

    “While certain elements seem bent on waging a campaign of accusation bordering on slander the Dads of Destiny have addressed the matter with parties involved and others seeking information to the point of posting an article here. We mention no names and aim the article at addressing the crux of the issue the Clan Connection re-organization which with such swift growth was inevitable.

    That brings us to now with this article requesting a comment, only the comment they are asking for isn’t valid as the Dads of Destiny have not banned anyone from anything. The question of banning someone from a gaming community due to gender is appalling and at no point would the Dads of Destiny condone such behavior.

    We recognize that there may have been misunderstandings as we formalized the clan guidelines, but the Dads of Destiny stand by our original principles to be a group that help gaming Dads connect with one another. As Dads we are focused on family, and have always provided services for groups whom are not Dads and share the same “mature gamer” mentality.”

    No injustice has been done, Bravo Bandits made their own clan with their own terms, free to run it any way they see fit. Any continued negative propaganda aimed at Dads of Destiny is an obvious shady tactic to try and gain member base.

    • ApolloHorror

      Nah, bravo were told they would never be equal to other official DOD clans and couldn’t change that. All clans that left were in communication with DOD admin/leaders until they knew we were leaving or removed us themselves. DOD are being awfully defensive for doing nothing wrong…

  • DarthDiggler

    So a “meta clan’s” activities is now newsworthy?

  • ExplodingJuice

    Who…the…fuck….cares? How is this newsworthy?

  • ApolloHorror

    You didn’t have to reach out to DOD, they are doing massive damage control on this one. Sure bravo wasn’t officially banned, but were told they couldn’t be an official clan. That means they aren’t eligible for community benefits like spotlight, ride alongs, etc. Separate but equal? No. Not even equal. They aren’t mentioning this fact in all their spin. If you talked to DOD admin you were lied to. Clan leaders in support of bravo were removed from communication channels, effectively banning us. Forced to resign. We are moving on.

  • JC

    They should join the clan we created which is “Knights of Parenthood” which is for both moms and dad. 🙂

  • wowgivemeabreak

    Even if there is something to it, the fact they are apparently being demonized shows just how much this society of ours hates men. If there was a feminist clan or a moms of destiny and they only wanted/allowed women leaders then you can be sure websites wouldn’t be bringing it up but men do it? Look out!

    It’s the same when minorities (race or sexual preference) set up groups or do things to show their “pride” but white or heterosexual people do the same thing and they are demonized.

    I am so sick of the damn double standard.

  • Keltoth

    the line app, which was being used to in the “Hashing” out could be brought to light for those who scream innocence in any wrong doings. Although I’m sure on both ends the conversation has been “misplaced”

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